MSN says adult spanking is VIOLENCE!

( From : SouthernCaliforniaSpankedWives )

Started by: Becca* Sent: 5/17/2001 3:03 PM
As you might know, Spanking With Friends (another MSN community) was closed yesterday.  The reason for the closure was stated in an email the managers recieved:
"We have found your "Spanking with Friends" community to be in violation of the MSN Code of Conduct for advocating violence. Because this violation is serious, we must preserve the contents for possible future investigation, and you will not be given the opportunity to reopen the community"
I can't tell you how disturbed I am to hear this.  I don't know if this will mean all spanking communities will be closed.  The above community was closed without notice or opportunity to appeal. 
 
As the alleged "victim" of the violence MSN assumes is being advocated, I'm angered.  I willingly participant in spanking and I enjoy it.  I can't tell you how pissed off I am that MSN thinks I can't tell the difference between what I do for a harmless sexual thrill and getting the shit beat out of me.  I probably should not type this while I'm so angry.

( From another MSN Community )

Started by: sweetred                     Sent: 5/17/2001 11:17 PM

I just learned this morning that yet another spanking site with msn communities was shut down, basically in the wink of an eye. I responded to the announcement already, but I wanted to vent a little here as well and see what others thought.

From: spankoz Sent: 5/18/2001 12:01 AM

 Sweetred ,

Can share your feelings , but there are a couple of things to remember .

This " site " is free , provided by MSN who no doubt wishes to make money from advertising . Companies , especially Public Companies , are very conscious of public image and the media can have a field day with spanking sites . There are quite a few porn sites which really push the idea of free speech to it's limits .

There is a strong moral tone underlying US perceptions . Examples are the Prohibition era and the Hollywood " Film Guild " self regulation in the movie industry ( there is a small approval seal at the start of each movie ) . Sex and nudity is out but violence is OK , remember the Gulf War coverage , just like an arcade game . One death in your town equals one thousand in Angola .

There is more at :

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" An Important Announcement to All Members of this Website

I have received the following message from Becca that I find quite disturbing:


"We have found your "Spanking with Friends" community to be in violation of the MSN Code of Conduct for advocating violence. Because this violation is serious, we must preserve the contents for possible future investigation, and you will not be given the opportunity to reopen the community"

Therefore we are regrettably closing this site as from today.

Both Sue and I would like to take this opportunity to thank all of the members for joining our site and hope that for the brief time it existed we brought a little happiness to everyone

Cockney Rebel & Sue "
 
( Spanking for Everyone , Spanking for Everyone Members Galleries )
______________
 
Congratulations, spankoz!
Your membership application to the MSN Web Community called 
 
Sue Ellis' Bake a Fairy Cake 
 
was accepted by the manager of this community.

COMMUNITY HOME PAGE
Here is the Web address of the community's home page:
http://communities.msn.co.uk/SueEllisBakeaFairyCake

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From: Becca* Sent: 5/18/2001 3:17 PM
I sent this email to the nice MSN person who inspected this club last March:
It's me... Becca.  Remember when you looked at my spanking community back in March?  Well, everything is okay but another spanking community got closed  yesterday and recieved this email concerning the reason for the closure:
"We have found your "Spanking with Friends" community to be in violation of
the MSN Code of Conduct for advocating violence. Because this violation is
serious, we must preserve the contents for possible future investigation, and you will not be given the opportunity to reopen the community."
 
That community was Adult and Public.  My community is Adult and Private.  Is MSN going to take this stance with ALL the  spanking communities?  Honestly, we're not pain freaks... we just like spanking because it's sorta kinky and  fun.  Does MSN plan to close all the adult spanking communities?  There are  literally hundreds of them on MSN and a zillion on MSN UK.   I know spanking isn't your thing but you've seen my site and perhaps you might be in the best position to explain that this isn't about violence and pain, it's just a  bedroom thing we do for fun.   I know you're busy but could you please let me know what you can find out?
Just a few minutes ago, she responded:
Hello Becca!
Currently, MSN is releasing new rules and guidelines in regards to closing
communities.  Although they are not directly written on the CoC, in which we
everyday insist them to place it on so that users will be notified and avoid
such events, we haven't got any response back.  Personally, I don't have all
the power to decide or choose any action i would like to do but unfortunately, they are in search of communities which advocates violence no matter if it is crime, a form of sexual excitement or any other reasons. But they don't literary search for these except for those Category Managers who arrange communities.  Bad thing about these CatMans is that once they
saw an illegal community, they have the power to disable it and I can't stop
that.
 
Spanking is not really a violation except if there is a presence of
violence <snip>
 
That's all I can give you as of now.  In case you still have questions,
please feel free to write me back.
As you can imagine, I had questions.  I wrote her back for further clarification. 
MJ,
Thank you so much for the reply. I told some of the other spanking club managers about MSN's recent closure of Spanking With Friends and some of them opted to delete their community.  I think that was a bit premature since we're not sure what the final outcome of all this will be.  I'm trying to keep my members informed since we have formed some great friendships and don't want to lose eachother if the club is closed unexpectedly.  I do have some more questions:
 
1.  I've unlisted my community and it's always been private.   Do you think
this will keep the catagory manager from finding it?  If he does find it, will
the fact that it's private and unlisted be a factor in his decision to let it
stay? 
 
its their job to check every community under webcomm ... whether it is unlisted, public, listed, private,etc.
 
2.  You said "spanking is not really a violation except if there is a presence of violence".   This concerns me because while I know that what my fiance and I do is NOT violence, it might look that way to someone who's not into spanking.
 
that is what also bothers me ... every time we have updates here, I always ask them to draw a line regards the decision-making of every person who checks on communities.  I asked someone in catman about the "violence" in spanking and answered me that it should not look as if you are already hurting people and it is no longer a sexual satisfaction or pleasure ... he also mentioned to me the use of "gadgets"... I think it is related to sadism and other sorts.
 
3.  I don't want to exist here on MSN under the constant worry that I'll be
closed if I'm "discovered" by the cat manager.  Can I email the cat manager
and talk to him or her directly?  If you know the cat manager for my
category, can you ask them to email me? 
 
they don't have any direct contact us link or open communication with anybody ... we can only ask them about their guidelines ...
 
For many of my members, spanking was a life long interest that they were
horribly embarrassed about.  They liked it but they felt ashamed because
they thought something was wrong with them.  I have a friendly community that has a healthy attitude about a cute sexual fetish.  It would be such a shame if
my 3700 members were lost.    What can I do to help my club remain on MSN?
I suggest to place a small warning on the homepage, or a note that will indicate your intentions about the community ... I'm not assuring you about this but hope that help.

Thanks for discussing this with me.  I really appreciate how helpful you've
always been.
 
ur welcome
As you can see, there is lots of gray area here.  I'll take her advice and post that warning on the welcome page.  I also want to search the albums and delete any pictures that look too extreme.  I don't think there are many like that since we have a pretty mellow theme here.  Please report any pictures you see that are questionable to management. 
 
I'm feeling pretty positive that we can keep this club.  There's no doubt that our "smidgen of humor" is going to help dilute any image there might otherwise be that spanking is anything but fun.

 

 


 

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